Wayne Besen - Author, Activist, Columnist, Public Speaker

Wednesday, September 21, 2005

On Tuesday afternoon, I debated "ex-gay" Richard Cohen on a New Jersey Cable station. For those who don't know, I have long exposed the unlicensed Cohen as a quack and revealed to the public this year that he was booted from the American Counseling Association for malpractice. I also dedicate an entire chapter in my book Anything But Straight to exposing his bizarre therapy.

Following our debate, Cohen sent out a hateful prayer request via e-mail that personally attacked me. If you read the e-mail below, it can only be described as a psychological meltdown, or maybe a nervous breakdown. My friends, take a good look for yourself at the kind of unbalanced and emotionally disturbed people that offer "ex-gay" therapy.
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Greetings,

Firstly, thank you for your incredible prayers. I am eternally grateful.

Secondly, thanks to Nancy T for her expert media coaching last night. We practiced for several hours, how to effectively articulate the message while debating Wayne Besen on today's taping of "REAL LIFE" with Mary Amoroso.

The show will air on Comcast Channel 8 (in NY, NJ, Delaware, MD, VA, DC and part of Florida-Ft. Myers area) on Friday, Oct. 7, at 6:00pm and rebroadcast on Oct. 9th at 7pm. It's a 30 minute show.

The first two segments went fine with just the host and myself. The second two segments were with Wayne and the host. I have debated Wayne on radio before. This was the first time on TV. I must say, as much as I've prepared, it is far worse facing him. The main reason is this: He has not moral integrity. He spins lie after lie, twisting the truth, and continues to metamorphize with new lies right before your eyes. So, there is no "truth" or base to dialgoue with such an immoral person. He has no conscience. I have debated many "gay activists" and we agreed to disagree, there was a level of maturity and respect. With Wayne, there is no respect, only abuse, slander and lie after lie. He's an expert in deception.

MY SOS CALL RIGHT NOW IS THIS: WOULD YOU PLEASE PRAY FOR MY FAMILY AND MYSELF. I FEEL OVERWHELMED BY THE PRESENCE OF EVIL WITHIN AND AROUND ME. It's hard to ask you for this, I feel a bit selfish, but it's imperative, and this is war!

This kind of spiritual oppression has occured before, when confronting national leaders of the homosexual movement. I know they pray for my/our demise, anyone facing and confronting them with the truth in love. I know they want me/us out of the way. We threaten to dismantle the whole building by exposing their lies ("Born gay and cannot change." By-the-way, I kept repeating and repeating on the show today, "No one is born with SSA and change is possible." AH, HA, that's why Wayne got more and more nasty - the fraud was being exposed and he wouldn't hear of it).

Wayne used to work for the Human Rights Campaign, the PAC (Political Action Committee) of the homosexual movement. They have a 24 million dollar annual budget to influence federal, state and local legislation. Wayne's mission was to take down the Ex-Homosexual movement, hence his book, "Anything But Straight." Then he had a talk show on Sirius Satellite Radio, but was fired. Now, he travels the country, promoting his book and spreading slander and lies about the wonderful potential of healing homosexuality. HE HAS NO STATED JOB AT THIS TIME. So, someone or some organization is funding him to do this work - so he can spend full time on countering our healing homosexuality movement.

Right now, it feels like I can't breath. THEREFORE, WOULD YOU PLEASE PRAY FOR PROTECTION. There is great spiritual warfare happening, and I really need your loving prayers to surround myself and my family. I'm not saying this to be selfish. I'm asking this so I might continue to battle, stand up and crack this puppy wide open.

Coming back home on the train, I cried as I prayed and I promised God that I will not rest until I figure out how to deck this immoral, paper tiger. That is my commitment.

Nancy and I shared (she's a professional PR woman) that we will work until we find the code to break him down. This is war, and we shall win for God, and to help ANYONE and EVERYONE know the truth - There is no such thing as a "homosexual," only someone with SSA, and SSA can be healed! Amen and Amen.

And, as difficult as it was, I KNOW THAT THOSE WHO WATCH THE SHOW, WHO ARE SEEKING HELP, WILL SEE THE TRUTH AND FIND HOPE FOR HEALING HOMOSEXUALITY.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Howard Stern was silly puddy compared to this wounded soul. Pray for Wayne Besen to be broken and restored in God's image. He is lost, wounded, bitter, with such an ugly spirit. He needs our loving prayers...

Thank you,

Richard Cohen, MA

I want to clarify a couple of key points. Yes, my show was cancelled on Sirius in 2003. Nearly everyone in the entertainment business deals with this at one time or another. Ever hear of Connie Chung and Phil Donahue? They also had shows cancelled. I have spent the summer working on a fiction novel. No group is funding my ongoing work exposing the "ex-gay" myth. Everything I do to make quacks like Cohen breakdown and weep on trains comes out of my own pocket. PLEASE CONSIDER MAKING A DONATION TODAY, so I can continue unmasking these charlatans.

Finally, this is not a "war", as Cohen suggests, between he and I. This isn't about Cohen's big and fragile ego. This is about defeating a hypocritical "ex-gay" movement steeped in anti-gay politics. Cohen and others of his ilk claim that they love gay people. Yet, out of the other side of their mouths, they say that we are bad, immoral and sick. Through persecution and guilt, they are destroying lives. If this is a war, it is about equal rights and freedom, not petty personalities on the far right fringe. Sometimes I think people like Cohen ask "What Would Jesus Do?", so they can turn around and do the exact opposite. His weird and venomous prayer alone, proves this.

215 Comments:

That Cohen is a MAJOR freak!
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 1:54 AM

Wayne, the work you do is SO important, that I'm writing you a check today.

Jenny, St. Paul.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 1:54 AM

He must be absolutely desperate to come here to vent. The heat is on. Wayne, keep on doing what you're doing. I'm sending you a donation right now.

Robert, Bayside, NYC.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 7:12 AM

He cried on the train on the way home?! And he's no longer a queer--yeah, right!
You can almost feel sorry for this pathetic loser until you remember all the damage he does to other gullible gay people.
I also noticed that whenever these "christians" get angry or thwarted, the first thing they want their sheeple to do is pray for the *destruction* of their perceived enemy. Real spiritual enlightenment there!
Gary (NJ)
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 9:22 AM

Hey Wayne, you should be proud of yourself! What I can read in this guy's letter is a great deal of personal anger because is the truth the only one that hurts. Maybe he preffer to "agree to disagree" or to feel that other people (like Stern) are just clowns, but he really feels treatened by you, because he knows that you are not a clown and that you are seriously commited to the cause. Fired or not, I personally wish you were well financed by a grant called "take down the liars" but I am sure this is not the case.

You and your work are very valuable, this pseudo Christian clowns have to be unmasked, and you have taken upon you the work that many in the community should be doing. I keep you in my prayers, so you can find the strnght to continue defeting this evil doers.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 10:09 AM

He's accusing you of being funded and not working. I guess he doesnt need that kind of help as he just rips off the poor souls who fall and pay for his seminars:

Heres what it costs to attend his All Love/Sex/Intimacy Healing Seminars

* Individual - $230
* Couple / Family of 2 - $350
* Family of 3 - $460
* (Additional Family Members - $120)
And dont forget the cost of his book
"Comming out straight"
Hardbound Edition: $22.35

Paperback Edition - $14.95
posted by GreekChris from Calif, at 9/21/2005 10:26 AM

Methinks Mr. Cohen has the hots for you, Wayne, and now he's hyperventilating on the train home as he tries to pray away his lustful thoughts!
posted by Lee, at 9/21/2005 11:06 AM

Is this the ex-gay who was a regular on Howard Stern's E-Network program before it went off the air?

If so, he really is a troubled man.
posted by Christopher, at 9/21/2005 11:26 AM

After visiting you for a nice lunch and coffee prior to writing your article about Ellen on Monday, I had to chuckle when I read Cohen's words. I know that you work hard and that no group is providing you with this mass of money to keep "fighting ex-gays."

It sounds like maybe Cohen is getting close to the breakdown that I had while espousing "ex-gay" lies that finally helped pull me into reality. As a born again gay Christian I will pray that Cohen accepts God as God really made Cohen. As a Christian, I know that you(Wayne Besen) and I have a balanced, healthy, and respectful friendship even though our beliefs on some things are quite different. I respect you as a Jewish man and you respect the fact that I do not push my vibrant Christian faith upon you personally. You are very straightforward in your comments, and I think that is what threatens wounded people that often lead "ex-gay" programs.
Kennon Wallis
Kennonwallis@aol.com
posted by Kennon Wallis, at 9/21/2005 1:06 PM

If, as Mr. Cohen suggests, Wayne spun "lie after lie", that would have been a perfect opportunity for Cohen to score real points in the debate by rebutting those lies with facts. But, of course, Cohen could not expose Wayne's "lies" because they were not really lies. Most likely, they were facts that Cohen couldn't deal with. I eagerly await the opportunity to view this television program.
posted by Chris L., at 9/21/2005 1:35 PM

Kennon respects a Jew and is respectful enough not to push his vibrator christian faith on anyone. Gee, how thoughtful of him. Only a born again type would think that it was even *necessary* to mention such uncommon virtues.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 3:31 PM

Cohen was clearly deeply threatened by Wayne on the show.

One only feels this level of threat and emotional turmoil when faced with a truth that they are not willing, able, or ready to face.

Keep up the good work Wayne. We all support you 100% and are proud of you.

G.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 8:39 PM

I'm nowhere in the viewing area for this show - I'm in the southwest. Will there be a transcript of the show that I could look at later?
Now - imo, if Cohen's sentiments in that letter are genuine, then he is having classic symptoms of a panic attack (crying, can't breathe, sense of surrounding evil). I would agree with the others that the panic is precipitated by his frantic avoidance of his inner reality. Yikes! For a man in his position, someone as outspoken and aggressive as Wayne would certainly be a scary opponent. Well, as a non-Christian, I will do the shocking thing this evening, and PRAY for this Cohen dude, and also for Wayne. How's that?
And someone please lemme know if there will be a transcript of the show, or if it might air out west!

Susie
posted by Anonymous, at 9/21/2005 10:22 PM

Ha ha! I'm praying too. I'm not religious, and don't quite believe in it, but *he does* so who knows what it might do.

Dear God,

Please allow Richard Cohen to come to terms with himself and face the demons that are hounding him. Please open his eyes and allow him to see who he is truly fighting.

Please show him if the path he is on is not Your will, and allow him to change his ways. Please protect him, his family and the people who buy his services from harm.

Amen
posted by Willie Hewes, at 9/22/2005 5:55 AM

"Finally, this is not a "war", as Cohen suggests, between he and I."

Between he and I? I'm sorry, but you just lost a big piece of credibility with me there.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/22/2005 6:41 AM

Thanks for all you do Wayne.

Cohen breaks my heart. I really feel for him. Some of the crap these people dish out is so vile it makes me want to respond with crushing, destructive force. But I really can't imagine interacting with Cohen and not having compassion for him.

I have to remember that he isn't the source of the unloving, idiotic hate... the source is the lack of truth. The lack of truth in interpreting what the Bible says. The lack of truth in "their" statements that what they are doing/believing is loving. The lack of truth being taught from our pulpits and being championed by our government.

Truth must begin to shine brighter. Only the light of truth will dispel the fear, the hatred & the hurt in these ugly, unloving, unchristian beliefs.

I just had a 2 hour conversation with my very conservative mother last night. She brought up Sodom & Gomorrah. I responded very clearly with information about a parallel story in Judges 19. I showed her how both stories have absolutely nothing to homosexuality, and that the cities were condemned for their barbaric lack of hospitality.

I could "hear" truth beginning to crack through the walls of her "this is just what I believe because I believe the Bible and God's word doesn't change" defense.

Wayne, thank you for being a source of light & truth. God Bless You! Keep it up!
Nathan B.
posted by Nathan, at 9/22/2005 10:55 AM

Dear Richard,

Listen, I just want you to know I'm praying for you. Not for your
destruction, but for your peace. Not for your downfall, but for your freedom. I know you're going through a hard time right now and while I do disagree with your message, my heart is heavy for you... I'm concerned for you.

Just remember "perfect love casts out fear." If you're getting a
message of fear and condemnation from the fundamentalist crowd, it isn't love and it isn't of God. I pray that you will begin to have compassion on those who would demonize you, instead of being afraid & being controlled by them. I pray that you will have compassion and mercy for yourself... that you will see yourself as God does... perfect, whole & complete... just as you were created.

Don't feel guilty for the mistakes you made and the people you have
hurt. Acknowledge what you've done... do whatever you can to make things right... and recommitt to be someone that walks in love & integrity. That's all you have to do. You have to trust God to mend their hearts... you can't do it.

"Lord, I know your mercy for my brother, Richard, is unending. Show him your love, God. Heal his heart. Bring him through this difficult time. Give his wisdom, compassion and grace. Use him to bring healing, Lord. Amen."

love ya, man
Nathan
posted by Nathan, at 9/22/2005 11:47 AM

Wow - a 2 hour talk with your ultra-conservative mom? I can't even get to the subject with my mother. I'm glad to see so many other people are praying too - who knows? Maybe it does work.

And just askin' again, if there might be a transcript of the debate so I could read it after it airs?

Susie
posted by Anonymous, at 9/22/2005 11:50 AM

http://www.cn8.tv/channel/article.asp?lChannelID=603&lArticleID=4341&subhead=contact

That's the link to order a vhs copy of the show. But I don't know when it aired... or if it will air.

Also, I found an active email address for Richard Cohen buried in his website... ihf90@aol.com
posted by Nathan, at 9/22/2005 12:02 PM

Wayne, it's obvious. Cohen thinks you're hot. You stir impure thoughts within him. You probably remind him that there's no such thing as an ex-gay and that his entire life is a frudlent farce that would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
--Johnny in Minneapolis
posted by Anonymous, at 9/23/2005 12:41 PM

Hi all. I'm doing similar activity as Mr. Cohen in Europe. Some opinion here was: Shot Cohen down. You can do so. Some of your community members already attacked my pro-family webpage. Anyway. If you shot us down, next Cohen will come. There will be always somebody, who will protect righteousnes before lies. We will always protect our families!!! PS: "Meltdoown"... I have imagined something harder. Scandalized titles, poor content. XO.
PS2: Sorry for my english, but it is better than your Czech.
posted by Anonymous, at 9/23/2005 6:50 PM

I don't see Richard Cohen's letter as hateful at all. Yes, he does believe you don't tell the truth and since I don't know either of you I don't know who to believe. The fact that you refer to him as a quack is hardly a nice thing to say and could be seen as an attack as well.

Your response to him seemed reasonable to me until I got to the part where you asked for donations. You know the tricks of the trade don't you? Tell your constituency you are being attacked then ask for money to support the cause. It appears to have worked. The only thing Cohen asked for was prayer.
posted by Revwilly, at 9/23/2005 8:56 PM

Hey anonymous you don't stand for righteousness. You stand for wickedness and the devil. You must be a pretty miserable old hermit to have to come here and spew your venom. The thing is you guys are truly afraid of us, even though you are better funded and have much more resources to turn to then us gays. You know deep down that you will lose. You know why It is because you lie, slander, and distort facts to achieve your goals. We on the other hand rely only on facts. Which will be your lies anyday. People are starting to see you for who you really are, nothing but a bunch of sorryass, hypocritical, pathological liars. We will win because the facts and god are on our side. Face it dude Jesus was a LIBERAL! yes I capitalized it because it is true, that is why he clashed with the pharisees and saduccees because the represented the JEWISH RIGHT of his day, You represent the CHRISTIAN RIGHT. Two different Ideologies same goals. This isn't an attack on christianity, just cold hard facts.
posted by Adam Kautz, at 9/24/2005 3:44 AM

Cohen is only trying to give a person hope and a choice to leave the lifestyle if they want too, you on the other hand are telling them that there is no sense in trying because they are stuck in this lifestyle forever, there is no way out! To me you are the one that is being unreasonable, and for a Christian who believes in the Spiritual world his prayer and his weeping for your soul is very Biblical and commendable.
posted by Jabez, at 9/24/2005 6:18 PM

jabez, No one is an ex-homosexual. Ex-gay therapy has NOT been proven to work. In fact the only thing that has been proven is that the people involved are more likely to get depressed and suicidal when inevitably it does fail. The fact that many here were once ex-gays, and are no longer proves that it doesn't work, no professional organization approves of its use. And they even warn of the potential dangers of that dangerous and deadly therapy. Whether or not someone has sex with the same sex as themselves or not will NEVER change the fact that they are still gay. Heck I am a virgin, that is right I have never had sex with guys or girls and I still consider myself gay. I know that I don't have to have sex with a guy to know that I'm into guys. Those are the real facts, not your psuedo-science of ex-gay therapy.
posted by Adam Kautz, at 9/25/2005 3:02 PM

Oh and lets be clear on one thing we arent the ones that hate you guys do. Want proof just read what your "loving" christians have said about us this is only a small example. :

Homosexuality is "sodomy", repugnant

“The concept, the word for homosexual behavior is sodomy. That is what is used in the official documents. It is sodomy. It is repugnant. It has been prohibited and proscribed by sane society throughout countless millennia, centuries. People have understood that it is wrong. Now in America, not only is it happening, it is getting civil rights protection in the law, and these people are invading churches.” - 700 Club, 1-18-94 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays will recognize pedophiles as prophets

"...one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the 'prophets' of a new sexual order." - "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," FRC publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Gays are pedophiles, and want to promote youth promiscuity

"There is a strong undercurrent of pedophilia in the homosexual subculture. Homosexual activists want to promote the flouting of traditional sexual prohibitions at the earliest possible age....they want to encourage a promiscuous society - and the best place to start is with a young and credulous captive audience in the public schools." - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, http://www.frc.org/insight/is93f1hs.html

Columbine killers might be gay/bisexual

"What Are The Media Hiding?....the media have been slow to give a full profile of the killers -avoiding any mention of their alleged bisexuality as reported by several students....Matt Drudge describes them in his report as 'gay, jock-hating, confederate flag-wearing, goth rock & Marilyn Manson loving, white supremacist, fingernail polish wearing, Hitler birthday celebrating outcasts'....One student shortly after the attack said they were militant 'gays' who were retaliating against jocks. Another student said on NBC's Today Show that the trench coat kids bragged about being bisexual... No American news outlet has reported that bi-sexuality could have played a part in the tragedy." - FRC's "CultureFacts", April 21, 1999, http://www.frc.org/culture/cu99d3.html
This is only a small sample of the vile hatred of the christian right.
posted by Adam Kautz, at 9/25/2005 3:24 PM

BC I am a virgin because I believe as a christian that god doesn't want me to have sex with a person unless I am in love with them. Probably for some gay guys that is unacceptable but that is o.k. I wouldn't want to date that kind of person anyway. Oh and by the way before I came out and did my investigating, I too believed what these fundamentalists who come on here do. That gays are evil, perverted, selfish, self-centered. But by investigating both sides of the matter, I discovered who is telling the truth and who is lying. And believe me about those quotes all you have to to is google anti-gay religious hate speech, and you will find an unbelievable amount of info.
posted by Adam Kautz, at 9/25/2005 7:56 PM

I find this article post a little pathetic... this email was obviously private, and paints Wayne Besen in a negative light. Big deal. I love to read Wayne's private emails about ex-gays and see what parts of his unconscious he's projecting. As for a 'meltdown', WRITING IN CAPITALS DOES NOT EQUAL MELTDOWN. IT JUST MEANS HE'S BEING EMPHATIC. Believing in evil and sin? Well, considering that Richard's a follower of the Christian faith. this doesn't surprise me. So being a person of faith and writing in capitals equals meltdown? Give me a break.
posted by Anonymous, at 1/25/2006 6:42 PM

The striking thing about all major figures in the current reparative tx movement is that they baldly repeat the skewed thinking that keeps their negative prejudices & stereotypes alive.

The underlying ideas are just the same old folks beliefs, such as you have to have been seduced/molested in childhood to feel same sex attractions, being gender-non-conforming in childhood is a defect which will eventually cause that other defect, a queer sexual orientation, and of course, almost anything troublesome could contribute to later being gay. The cure for all these deficits is equally compatible with folk psychology, in that you have healing experiences of just being a regular guy.

We have no careful study which suggests that any of these things are causes/effects in the simplistic ways that reparative tx models claim. All it takes to raise core questions about this model is when you find somebody who sustained one or more of the alleged causes, without it affecting their being straight. Or when you find an LGBTQ person who just happened to miss out on one of the lists of the alleged childhood causes, yet still feels like their rainbow selves anyway.

The key empirical issues here, besides the fact that reparative tx dresses up the same old negative prejudices in new (and old) vocabularies - involves sampling bias, and of course, the culture wars. Sampling bias distorts empirical knowledge by only permitting us to draw inferences from one particular group of people - in this case, ex-gay patients - which results are supposed to apply to larger, entire populations. Older studies of LGBTQ people, usually majoring in males who sought therapy for various problems, obtained data which fatally confounded the problems for which they sought tx and their sexual orientations. Reparative tx only continues this unfortunate trend.

If reparative tx were not involved in the culture wars, it actually would only affect the smaller number of people involved in it as healers and patients. Then it might still do damage, but at least it would not be enlisted to attack even larger populations of LGBTQ citizens.

Sadly, just as the so-called Intelligent Design/Creationism movements have to first misrepresent Darwin's Theory and evolution as empirical topics, so that they can propose a solution (which just happens to be consistent with a certain sort of modern conservative religion); so, too, the reparative tx movements have to first restate all the old mis-connected arguments so that the cure can be offered.

In their more florid versions, reparative tx claims that almost anything bad or troublesome can help cause a queer sexual orientation; and further, that once you have a queer sexual orientation, you are doomed to all manner of trouble and unhappiness. If or when that fails to work out that way, then culture war forces must be brought to bear. If this model is simply empirically true, who needs all the extra force to enforce it? Dig just a little bit beneath the neutral-sounding psych vocabularies of reparative tx and you will almost always find religion, not science. The more honest among these groups start out by admitting that theirs is mainly a religious tx, aimed at ensuring that people can conform to heterosexual religious ideals.
posted by drdanfee, at 5/24/2006 9:49 AM

Wayne, Please be careful you are attacking the work of the Holy Spirit of God by attacking the ex-gay movement. Mot everyone that enters AA makes it out of alcoholism. Also your support of a S/M version of the Last Supper of Jesus Christ just shows you will do anything for money. It's a shame Wayne you would make a great ex-gay...Your pal, Anthony Falzarano parentsandfriends.20m.com
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