Wayne Besen - Author, Activist, Columnist, Public Speaker

Wednesday, June 21, 2006

(Weekly Column)

I have yet to visit Focus on the Family's massive "campus" in Colorado Springs - a place so large it has its own zip code. But each year, thousands of fundamentalists traipse through this tourist trap to bow to King James. The people I know who have visited say that pictures of the group's leader, James Dobson, hang ubiquitously while tour guides reverently refer to him as "Dr. Dobson."

"I felt like I was in North Korea and Dobson was playing the part of Kim Jong Il," a friend recently told me. "Call it what you will, but this was a form of idolatry."

While I'm sure the toady tour is mesmerizing, what I really want to do is slip past security and into the bowels of the building where a trap door must exist that leads to "The Fib Factory."

In this liar's lair, I picture a team of butch women and effete men - ex-gays in their Homosexuality and Gender Department - hooked up to polygraph machines. These "experts" are asked by Dobson to say whatever comes to mind about homosexuality. Whenever a red light flickers, signifying a bald faced lie, Dobson turns to his personal assistant and says -- "Write that down -- we have a new talking point."

This scenario is fiction, but so is this group's alarming propaganda. Dobson's maddening mendacity is only surpassed by his capacity for audacity. The hocus pocus from Focus is spreading like a plague of locusts, while their fallacies are finding their way into municipalities.

This week, my organization, Truth Wins Out, caught the right wing's 800 pound gorilla in two white lies as large as New Hampshire's White Mountains. The group grossly distorted a study by a Canadian researcher that showed teenage lesbians had a higher rate of suicide attempts. Unconscionably, Melissa Fryrear, a spokesperson for Focus on the Family, blamed gay activists for causing the deaths, saying that teaching self-acceptance caused the young women to be suicidal.

"Regrettably, they think they have to embrace homosexuality because pro-gay advocates told them that they were born gay," said Fryrear.

This interpretation of the data "baffled" Dr. Elizabeth Saewyc, the Associate Professor at the University of British Columbia, who conducted the study.

"Nothing in the brief results we presented or in our overall study could lead to such conclusions," she said after I contacted her and showed her how Focus on the Family portrayed her study results. "Population surveys cannot determine cause and effect, they can only suggest possible links. Even so, other researchers have not found these sorts of links, and neither have we."

The Canadian Press, a wire service, interviewed Sawwyc and she expressed further alarm on how her scholarly work had suddenly ended up as culture war fodder for the Focus foxhole.

"The research has been hijacked for somebody's political purposes or ideological purposes and that's worrisome."

Realizing that she was caught in a calumny, Fryrear invoked the work of Dr. Robert Spitzer, a Columbia University researcher who had published a 2001 study on sexual orientation. The Focus spokeswoman said in the article that Spitzer's research linked contemplating suicide to unwanted attractions to the same sex.

I contacted Spitzer the next day and it turns out that his work had also been distorted. He sent me a statement outlining his dismay over the way Focus on the Family misrepresented his study.

"Unfortunately, Focus on the Family has once again reported findings of my study out of context to support their fight against gay rights," said Spitzer. "Although a third of the subjects in my study reported having had serious thoughts of suicide related to their homosexuality, not one of them blamed the gay rights movement's advocating a 'born-gay' theory of homosexuality as the cause of their suicidal thinking."

Fryrear essentially tried to dig herself out of a hole caused by distorting the work of one researcher by twisting the work of another. Isn't there something in the Bible about not bearing false witness? Just another day at the Fib Factory, I guess.

Focus on the Family has always been truth challenged and taken special delight in mocking science. Remember, this group also started The Family Research Council, a Washington lobby that ironically does virtually no original research.

In Focus on the Family's mammoth "campus" there are hundreds of employees. But is there a single person there who knows a centrifuge from a centerfold or a test tube from a boob tube? All they understand is the science of spin, which can lead to embarrassing sin, as James Dobson learned this week.

77 Comments:

What narcissism! that dobson would have more pictures of himself hanging up at Focus on the Family's Reichskanzlerei than of Jesus--not that the two of them have ANYTHING in common. Fib factory?! Let's be more blunt--mean spirited lying sacks of shit factory is more like it.
B. Queer
posted by Anonymous, at 6/21/2006 2:33 PM

Wayne, your prose style gets more felicitous by the minute. Hocus-pocus from Focus like locusts; fallacies finding muncipalities; caught in a calumny; etc etc! Enjoyable!
posted by Phil, at 6/21/2006 2:35 PM

Sadly, millions of people ("the sheep") still fall for propaganda when it is couched in religion. They seem not to understand that people exist (like James Dobson) who are (1) liars and (2) religious at the very same time. A dichotomy, yes, but one that is most prevalent in our world.
posted by Chris L., at 6/21/2006 3:01 PM

Chris--with guys like dobson and his ilk, it comes down to only one thing--M O N E Y!! $$$$$$$$
posted by Anonymous, at 6/21/2006 4:18 PM

they call homosexuality a form of idolatry. and then hang pics of dobson all over???
posted by Anonymous, at 6/21/2006 6:34 PM

James Dobson is a cult leader, pure and simple. I pity those caught in his web.
posted by jekelhyde, at 6/21/2006 8:20 PM

Dr. Dobson may have made a small mistake, but like Jesus, none of us are perfect.

He is doing God's work and carrying out God's plan. You radical homosexual activists might think you are playing "gotcha" now - but Satan will play Gotcha with you people in the end.

Rex --- Montana
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 9:09 AM

No Rex, Dobson is carrying out Dobson's plan. Keep sending him your hard-earned cash to make him the rich powerful, lying bastard that he is while his sheep can barely put food on the table or gas in their cars. If being godly means being like Dobson (and you) I'll take Satan. Thanks for the offer though.
posted by Tim, at 6/22/2006 9:19 AM

The vast, vast majority of those listening to the crap spewing from Focus will never do an ounce of research and form a conclusion that is of their own volition. The small percent that does do research will seek ONLY resources that will further back their agenda. Either way, they will then march like ants carrying "bounty" back to all the "others" who will gleefully consume the poison and shout "amen!" This is an absolute certainty that Focus knows - nothing else matters.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 9:24 AM

Rex, Montana, you say that Jesus was not perfect.

In Christian belief, that is blasphemy.
posted by Phil, at 6/22/2006 11:27 AM

Rextum--you need to study more about the history of your arch-nemesis satan. In the Hebrew Bible (your old testament) he was the adversary of man, not God; more like a prosecuting attorney for God against man. After Christianity came into contact with religions of the east like Zoroastrianism with their gods of Light and Darkness, satan morphed into the archenemy of both God and man; a convenient bogeyman for the church to terrify the uneducated masses into belief and obedience.
The word satan means adversary and devil is related to the word divine. If I remember correctly it simply means little god. But i'm sure you're so indoctrinated and brainwashed that none of the above will get through your opaque vision.
Thank Goddess I'm a Pagan-Witch!
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 2:03 PM

hey rex from montana - i am an ex-gay and the disgrace towards others coming out of dobson's mouth and others like him is horrible. god's gift is offered not imposed. and dobson is imposing his belief system on the citizens of this country - that is WRONG.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 2:58 PM

Ex-Gays don't exist -- LOSER.

J.T.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 3:51 PM

Mr. Besen, as I am a good and practicing Christian, it is my duty to tell you the truth.

Dr. Dobson is a good man. As a listener to his daily radio show, I can tell you that Dr. Dobson does not lie. Period.

So, please stop lying about him. He helps families and cures homosexuals. That is why you and your people are so threatened by him.

Do you know Jesus?

Carol
Nebraska
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 3:56 PM

no carol. he imposes his will on others. i would no more attend a LIA seminar/conference then allow my dog to enter into his home. i am a christian - devout and faithful. his method of accusation, "treatment" etc... is good for a small minority. itell you the truth, if my parents had not been so kind ( a truly generous gift) i would not see through dobson's "love"
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 4:13 PM

j.t. whatever you may believe, know or do not know does not give you the cause to call me a loser. i'm on your side. my reasons for change are not cause for every to take the same path. you live as you want. good - but don't call me a loser when i'm fighting for your rights.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 4:16 PM

Wow

I can't get my mind around anyone saying that Dobson is a good man who cures homosexuals....

James Dobson is a cult leader. I'm Episcopalian by the way -- Cures? There is no cure for something that isn't a disease, and homosexuality isn't a disease.

Imagine if you would living in a fundamentalist Muslim country where you could not be Christian. Where as a woman you were beaten down -- had to cover yourself from head to toe -- was property to your husband.

That is no different than Dobson wants to do to gays. The Ex-gay movement is a joke. It doesn't change anyone. It makes them go back in the closet. Marrying women, hiding their desires, having little, or no sex -- but not daring to come out again. It only causes pain. There is an ex-gay in the city where I live. I challenged him to public debate and he refused, saying that he would have to be a fool to debate me where people could see. He is married and pastoring a church, but someone from that church mentioned to a friend that she didn't think that the pastor and his wife were intimate very often.

I also have a friend,not from our area who is "ex-gay" and married who has told me (when I was visiting and while trying to seduce me, which didn't work -- I don't do married men and Ihave a monogamous relationship) that he managed to do it enough to get the two kids and that satisfied the church, but that his wife and he haven't had sex in 10 years now, and he's lucky she doesn't like it much.

I am not impressed by Dr.Dobson, and I am not impressed by literalism.

Lord Christ be with you.

Reynolds Jones
http://www.rebuff.org
believeinyou24@yahoo.com
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 5:11 PM

Anonymous, you mention that you are an ex-gay.
If that means that you formerly felt sexual desire for the same sex, and now only feel sexual desire for the opposite sex, I wonder if you would be prepared to correspond with me? I would be interested to learn how this change in sexual desire was effected.

Carol, you mention that Mr Dobson has "cured" people of homosexual desire. Do you know the name of any such person, and would he or she be willing to correspond with me?
posted by Phil, at 6/22/2006 5:12 PM

Phil, because there is such animosity for ex-gays and because there is such animosity for liberals I choose to remain anonymous. Unfortunately, some people do not believe that a person can be ex-gay and politically liberal. Changing does not mean re-adjusting myself to become a predjudice person. I have recieved vile e-mails from Christians accusing me of horrible things. As well, you can see the kinds of cemments that some gays make such as J.T. Why would I risk being anything but anonymous, now? The best I can do is to let gays know that I support same sex marriage and their rights and privileges as people and citizens of this country. And let Christians know that imposing their view onto others is inappropriate and un-Christ like. JMO
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 7:18 PM

Anonymous, thank you very much indeed for taking the time to respond - and promptly too.

I'm very sorry indeed to contemplate that abusive emails you mention having received. How unpleasant.

In the event that you chose to email me, you would be able to rely on my discretion, but I understand in view of what you say, that you are extremely wary of being anything other than anonymous.

Would you be willing to describe on here what it is that you mean by ex-gay?

I have looked very hard to find any person whose sexual DESIRE has changed from same-sex to opposite-sex by any clinical therapeutic process, and because I have not found any such person in spite of looking hard, I do not currently believe that any such persons exist.

If you are able to show that I am wrong, I would be most interested and delighted to hear further from you, especially with any details of how such change was effected.

Thanks again.

Phil.
posted by Phil, at 6/22/2006 7:44 PM

I'm sorry, Phil, I decline. The controversy is a beast and I have battle fatgiue. Protecting myself and living in anonymity is best for me.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 8:17 PM

Well, thank you for taking the time and trouble to respond anyway, Anonymous.

I wish you all the best.
posted by Phil, at 6/22/2006 8:20 PM

One last note, on this item, there are many just like myself who stay behind the scenes because the conservatives want to use us for their own purposes and the liberals don't believe us for their own purposes. But there are many, many of us - some just walked away from the controversy and have gone on to live quiet obscure and safe lives. There's nothing wrong with that.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 8:54 PM

I think I would like to know from any who claims to be ex-gay, their definition of gay. It seems that when people talk of homosexuality their focus is on the act. Therefore, if a gay man stops having sex with men he is no longer gay? Please. My 80 something year old uncle rarely has sex these days yet he is no less gay than I am. Likewise, a person who has had sexual relations with a member of his/her own gender is not necessarily homosexual. So, if you were once completely attracted to members of your same gender and are now attracted to members of the opposite gender, you can call yourself ex-gay. Otherwise you are perpetrating the lie. Call yourselves what you are: a homosexual who is trying to be something else. You haven't suddenly become straight. I could pretend to be a tiger all I want but I'll never become one.

And to Carol in Nebraska: I pity you and I fear for you. Jim Jones' followers thought he was a good man too, right up until the minute they drank the punch.

And to Rex in Montana: If I end up in Satan's grasp simply for loving someone, I'll be sure to hold the door opened for you. The book says, Judge not...Hmmm
posted by jekelhyde, at 6/22/2006 10:15 PM

Ever here of Sodom & Gomorrea, QUEERS?

Jesus destroyed these sin cities, as he did New Orleans for homosexulaity in excess.

The Lord also built San Franciso on a fault line so he could destory it in good time, as he did Sodom.

Did you know, homosexuals, that sodomy comes from the word SODOM. That means the doom is upon your heads.

Robert, in Idaho
posted by Anonymous, at 6/22/2006 11:32 PM

Ohoo cant you feel all that christian love coming from robert--nothing would make him happpier than to see mass death and destruction in san franciso, even though 90+% of the people there are heteros. So Jesus built san francisco? I assume he was in the carpenters' union.
And Carol since 'Mr Besen' is Jewish why would he 'know Jesus'. I still cant understand why people like you and robert are even reading this blog, besides being obnoxious, we can assure you that there is absolutely nothing you can say that we havent heard a million times before ad nauseum---and *rejected* And Phil, read Wayne's book, if you think you can ever become "ex-gay" you're sadly deluding yourself.
B. Queer
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 12:09 AM

just like when you hear of someone who has never had sex with ANYONE and they define themselves as gay - so too can you say the same about someone who is ex-gay. a person does not need to go out and "prove" through sexual acts that they are not gay or are gay. For me - it is just about preference. I now prefer men. So, I look at men as potential dates rather than looking at women. Everyone has a different definition. I guess that's up to the individual to define themselves?
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 2:15 AM

oh brother! the tsunami, katrina - because those people were bad??? is P-Town next and then palm springs???? what will happen to vegas? or the island of mikonos and sapho? please get real?? robert in idaho do u know where god is tonight? They will say "Lord, Lord, did I not do works in your name" and he will say "I do not know you" robert you castigate gays instead of loving them.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 2:20 AM

you know rex, i hope you have your home in order.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 3:20 AM

Anonymous, you mention that there are many like you who choose to stay in the background and not comment.

I have to say that this is incredibly frustrating. The only people who seem to come forward with stories of change of desire are not credible. And those of whom you claim credible change of desire, won't come forward!

It is therefore impossible to access any evidence of change of sexual desire through therapy.

Well, in my view, medical treatments should be "evidence-based". I would never recommend anyone to undertake a course of medical treatment if there was no evidence of its efficacy and safety.

So if you guys and gals who constitute the evidence simply won't be published, even anonymously, we are stuck.
posted by Phil, at 6/23/2006 5:51 AM

well, phil, if you are unhappy being gay then i am sorry. the people out in the media do it for money. the people who change their lives do it for very personal reasons. you sound angry and yes frustrated. it must be difficult to be a jehovah's witness and gay at the same time. they treat apostates in a very cold manner.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 1:42 PM

i meant to say they treat what they view as an apostate in a very cold manner
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 2:16 PM

Anonymous, thank you very much for responding again. I appreciate your taking the time, especially when it sounds from what you said previously that discussion of this topic has caused difficulties for you in the past.

I am sorry if I sounded angry - that wasn't my intention ast all, and I'm not angry. I did mention frustration - the context was the frustration I felt that it seems impossible to get any ex-gay person (in this particular case, you!) to talk, even to the extent of defining what they mean by the term.

You mentioned that you are ex-gay. I guess, then, that you were unhappy about being gay, and something prompted you to want to change desire. I wasn't proposing, earlier, that you would go into all that on here, but I had wondered if you would be willing to describe the clinical process in private correspondence with me.

But I won't attempt to persecute you with persistent enquiries - you've said you don't want to write about it, and I respect that.

Kind regards,

Phil
posted by Phil, at 6/23/2006 2:49 PM

phil, i was a gay activist, marched in the parades etc... mom went to pflag blah, blah blah ... i changed because i changed. nothing more nothing less. i wasn't unhappy - but i have found more satisfaction being with men. and i guess i had mostly to overcome the gay rhetoric that once gay always gay, or born that way and so on and so on.... people change - it is very simple. if you don't want to - then don't. if you feel forced to - then beware. if you feel like investigating new feelings - feel free. but never ever do anything that is for any other reason than what you feel is right for yourself.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 3:15 PM

*Sigh!* There are always people on the margin between gay and straight who may end up straight. From here it is a natural (though completely false) step to say "Gee, if he can change; so can everybody else."

If someone decides they want to see if they can try to change their sexual orientation--well, it's still a free country (although our Godly President is rolling that up) and they have a right to try, just as Micheal Jackson has the right to undergo perpetual plastic surgery in a (futile) effort to look like a white woman.

I object when quacks use this as a reason to uphold ill-treatment of gays on the grounds that they might "change" if only Christians did their bit to makes their lives as hard as possible.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 4:06 PM

I agree with you - totally.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 4:09 PM

Anonymous, you say "people change - it is very simple."

But it ISN'T very simple! It's very complicated! And it's very costly! The Minimum time Dr. Nicolosi has cited using his clinical methodology is two years. He recommends two sessions a week, one individual and one group at $125 per session. This adds up to around $25,000. That is no small sum to invest in clinical treatment when there is no published evidence base of safety or efficacy.

OR, Anonymous, are you saying that your sexual desire changed WITHOUT any clinical process?

Incidentally, from your comment about finding more satisfaction in being with men after changing, I take it that you are female? That is in a sense an added complication, for evidence suggests that male and female homosexuality are not quite the same biologically. (See, for eample, "Born Gay, the Psychobiology of Sex Orientation" by Wilson & Rahman).
posted by Phil, at 6/23/2006 4:43 PM

i have a step sister who believes that if she yells enough and berates enough then she can get an alcohlic to stop drinking. what really happens is that she got her alcohlic to stop her. samething here. if the christians yell and berate then people will stop christianity.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 4:50 PM

phil, you are right. men and women are different when it comes to sexuality whether or not you are gay or straight or whatever. and you are right about the expense of therapy - therapy is expensive. and there are no gaurantees. it is a sham to say that there are. and quite honestly, if i did not have the money i would not have gone to therapy. whether a person goes for marriage counseling, childhood issues, anger management or whatever - it is expensive. and i do not see the christians taking up a collection plate for that!
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 4:55 PM

It never ceases to fascinate me when people such as Robert in Idaho invoke the story of Sodom and hold it like some kind of shield against the dreaded homos. It is most fascinating, since the tale of the destruction of Sodom actually contains no direct reference to same sex activity, except that the angels are male. However, since Lot offered up his Virgin daughters to the mob, one can presume that he knew they would be perfectly content raping someone of either gender. Of course Robert and others like him do not know this. They have never read the book. They are simply regeritating the information that their preachers are feeding them and spitting it up when they think it fits. It doen't fit in this case. My suggestion to Robert is that he actually read the Bible if he is going to attempt to use it to make a point. And he needs to read it in context, not just to pluck out verses that he needs to demonize a group about which he obviously knows nothing. And after he reads the Bible, he needs to break out the dictionary. Sodomy refers to both anal and oral copulation, which are activities heterosexual people engage in as well. And sodomy is misnamed by the fundamentalists of the past. Strangely enough, I never saw myself as having to give a friggin Bible lesson, but there it is. And if anyone wants to throw out Leviticus or Romans, I'll be happy to discuss those as well.

As for Anonymous-With all due respect, if you are straight now, you were always straight or perhaps bi. Either way, no actual change occurred. You simply discovered your true nature; a sort of coming out with a twist. Excellent for you. The only thing that matters in life afterall is how we feel about ourselves. You are happy, that's fantastic. More power to you.

Sorry for the lengthy tirade everyone.

Darren
posted by jekelhyde, at 6/23/2006 7:58 PM

hi darren, thanks for helping out idaho. anyhow, i do believe change occurred. it is afterall my life and i know it best - well better than you do. i understnad where you are coming from and i appreciate the insight. i am not promoting change as a must. i'm just saying that there are some of us who do exist. even if you think you know better.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 8:04 PM

Peace and love to you Anonymous. Take care.

Darren
posted by jekelhyde, at 6/23/2006 8:30 PM

Peace and love to you ,too, brother.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 9:08 PM

Anonymous,

I'm sorry to disturb you again, but what I said isn't enough. I tell people that I am gay, born that way and the only choice I have is to fake it or live with it and enjoy it. I expect and even demand that people take my word for it, because I know me better than anyone else could. Yet when you say you have changed your orientation, I close my ears and my mind. I apologize for that. I cannot say that change is impossible, just because of my personal experience. I do not KNOW anymore than anyone else. I learn by research and observation. I will take you at your word and say more power to you, as I expect others to do with me.

Again, peace and love to you. And my heartfelt apology.

Darren
posted by jekelhyde, at 6/23/2006 10:27 PM

Anonymous, you say "anyhow, i do believe change occurred."

To me, that phrase is rather a giveaway, and I understand now where you fit in the panoply of "ex-gays".

Thank you.
posted by Phil, at 6/24/2006 6:06 AM

Darren, I thank you for your note. Phil - I think you are beginning to take words here and there and taking them out of context. but thank you for the dialogue. i need to rest.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/24/2006 1:50 PM

Phil - maybe I did not understnd. I went out on a date last night that did not end until 2am. i'm a bit foggy this morning and grumpy. so, if i took something wrong - i truly am sorry. thank you for opening up the conversation.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/24/2006 3:27 PM

My denition of a fundamentalist is one who has fun damning the mentality of everyone else. Thus, I'm just waiting for the rapture to occur, so that all the funndamentalists can be taken away by god, and the rest of us can live here in peace. I don't mind being "left behind". I really don't.
posted by Anonymous, at 6/25/2006 3:46 PM

What would be better is if our Christian fundamentalists and their Muslim fundamentalists could all be deported to Antarctica or some equally barren spot and allowed to exterminate each other.

What a wonderful world THAT would be!
posted by Anonymous, at 6/26/2006 10:33 AM

There is no such thing as global warming. Creationsim is real. There are no homosexuals.

Wow, the right wing has a lot of credibility when it comes to science!

Jarvis Hedburg
posted by Anonymous, at 6/26/2006 2:06 PM

out 'em out in southfield
posted by Anonymous, at 6/26/2006 5:53 PM

B. Queer, re-reading through some of the posts I just noticed your comment:

"And Phil, read Wayne's book, if you think you can ever become "ex-gay" you're sadly deluding yourself."

B. Queer, I have read Wayne's book. It confirmed every impression I had formed from reading online and elsewhere about "reparative therapy" etc. And it did so with wit and style.

I have also read the recent book "Ex-Gay Research", a compilation of responses to the Spitzer study which it includes. Other books I've read are "Born Gay, the Psychobiology of Sex Orioentation" (Wilson & Rahman 2005); "The Battle For Normality" by Van Den Aardweg; "Homosexuality, A New Christian Ethic" by Elizabeth Moberly and numerous articles in newspapers and magazines and online.

The results of all that are: I think Moberly and Van Den Aardweg are piffle; I can find not one single convining example of a person who has genuinely changed sexual desire; I do not in fact believe that such change is possible; I believe that "reparative therapy" is snake oil.

That is my current position. I am of course ENTIRELY open to proper evidence that would change that position, as, I am sure, is Wayne.
posted by Phil, at 6/29/2006 7:03 AM

this is crazy! have you ever listened to his program!? you write like you know anything about his mission. you do what all media does well..pick at things that make good people look bad! i challenge you to listen to a month..two weeks of his radio station and with an open mind! you sit there and say he is anti-gay and some self proclaimed God...you obviously dont listen to him! im so tired of negative liberal media like yourself...you think your sooo informed and know all the right answer for all the problems...YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!
posted by David, at 5/31/2007 7:04 PM

and yes people are "ex-gay" just like there are sober addicts! and even if there was a gene that makes you gay that doesnt mean its good or ok! they Have found it in alcholism....but there is still AA and you dont look at a drunk and say "well, you were born that way..go ahead and ruin your life and others too" its crazy how you people view things and the facts your willing looking away from! Jesus spent his time with muderers, the sick, the horrible...and loves them...God loves homosexuals! he hates their sin! why do you pick on christians like they are God? they are sinners and flawed just like everybody! but YOU BASH them for the groups out there hating on Gods behalf...are you that uninformed? i dont hate sharks because some of them eat people! and as silly as that sounds that what liberal democratic anti-christians think! it hurts me to see such ignorance in the world! Jesus loves you...really....he really does! more than any parent could love a child! try it before you knock it! and dont worry about me disrupting your "glib Factory" anymore...i just realized what a waste of time it is for me to write on this... GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!
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