Wayne Besen - Author, Activist, Columnist, Public Speaker

Friday, August 15, 2008

I'm one of those people who liked Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards. I originally supported Edwards because he seemed to understand the struggles of the middle class. Now, we know he was in the middle of a crass affair and struggling to hush it up.

After Edwards dropped out, I vacillated between Clinton and Obama - eventually settling for Obama after Clinton had delusions about dodging imagined bullets in Bosnia. Still, I respected her and thought she would make a good president.

She lost...

But, she and Bill won't step away from the stage. They are now working to hijack the Democrats Convention in Denver. All I can say is - it is time for the Clinton's to gingerly step off the stage, shun the spotlight and move on with their lives. This is Obama's moment and they need to do everything they can to get him elected. If the Clinton's bungle this and get in the way - there are many of us who are inclined to support her in the future , who will never consider her again.

The Clinton's say that their voices and that of their supporters must be heard. But, we've heard more than enough from this political family and they really just need to put a sock in it from now until November. Unfortunately, their egos may be bigger than their allegiance to the Democratic Party.

55 Comments:

Have the Clintons ever been known to do anything gingerly??
posted by Writer, at 8/15/2008 10:52 AM

The Clintons are so consumed with themselves and their blind ambition that it truly begs description. Indeed, they lost the primary, but what can only be described as the ultimate display of haughtiness and bad manners, don't wish to acknowledge that the people have chosen her opponent. The country passed Hillary over and decided that it was time for real change. The "eight million" voters that she so charitably claims to be fencing for were outnumbered by a larger crowd, but eight million don't seem to be enough to silence "ME".

By their actions, you would think that Bill had been a presidential miracle worker instead of the vapid, slippery skirt-chaser that he actually was. How generous they are to offer their continued presence to us, even at the expense of muddying Senator Obama's moment. Doesn't anyone know how to say "exit stage left?" Of course, they know better than we do; they always have.

They have arrogantly muscled their way into the August convention, attempting to dominate it, all the while claiming that it is the voice of "the people" that they are demanding must be heard, but those of us who enjoy following politics know that it is their own voices that they cannot bear to silence. Of course, they attempt to cloak their ambition in the guise of altruism; they aren't doing this for themselves, they are doing it for the people, who just won't be able to survive without their consummate Washington expertise.

They have, once again, revealed their total moral bankruptcy. They are unhinged, uncontrolled and revel in their personal excess. They have no qualms about endangering the election of Barack Obama. Most Democrats must know who Hillary will be rooting for on election night. She has become the ultimate special interest.
posted by Chris L., at 8/15/2008 11:06 AM

Thank You Wayne for coming to the realization of who the Clintons really are. They are power hungry wolves who will step on anyone to get what they want, and I'm glad Democrats are waking up to this. It's time for a change, put the Royal Clinton/Bush families to bed. GO OBAMA!
posted by Anonymous, at 8/15/2008 11:09 AM

gingerly nothin. they need to be escorted out in handcuffs.
posted by ewe, at 8/15/2008 12:23 PM

On a more positive note, many republican politicians are checking the 'will not attend' box for the republican convention in order to distance themselves from bush/mcsame. Regardless of hillary's snatchitude towards obama and the convention, the GOP convention will probably be pathetic, lackluster and boring beyond belief.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/15/2008 3:39 PM

Yeah, everyone thinks it's over for Hillary Clinton. It's a done deal, right? NOT!

She is now prepping to fight for the nomination on the floor of the convention, and this is not at all without merit, seeing how the recent surveys and Obama's inability to put McCain away demonstrate his genuine weakness as a national candidate.

Clinton's campaign missteps, delusional historical sense and constant gaffes notwithstanding, she is the stronger candidate in the general election. Wait until the ads of Rev. Wright and the other nut jobs Obama associates with hit the airwaves again.

John McCain is an awful candidate, but he is demonstrating that he is still capable of walking over a Hamas-endorsed Black Panther named Hussein. And Clinton knows it.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/15/2008 8:38 PM

The fact that McCain was a prisoner of war hardly qualifies him for the presidency. His knowledge of geography is atrocious, just like his hero Bush! If you want four more years of the Bush legacy, then join the Log Cabiners and vote for McCain.
posted by Robert, NYC., at 8/15/2008 9:43 PM

Hamas-endorsed Black Panther named Hussein

Pst, don't look now but: your agenda is showing.
posted by Z, at 8/16/2008 3:35 AM

I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that there's no shenanigans planned for the convention, but I got really uncomfortable when just a couple of weeks ago, Hillary was still talking about getting her supporters' voices "heard." Umm...they voted. That's ALL the say they get -- all they say anyone gets. Second place is second place. She frightens me. I really want her to restore my faith in her.

And I want the Obama of the primaries back. It kills me that you can go to FactCheck.org and read lists of distortions, exaggerations and half-truths that Obama is using in his ads against McCain, as if there isn't enough REAL SUBSTANCE on which to hit him. I am hoping he's just been kind of phoning it in until the convention and then we'll see a coherent strategy again. (Oh, and also, please, please God, no Bayh for VP.)
posted by Andy, at 8/16/2008 11:46 AM

Then you're reading me all wrong Z. That's how Obama's gonna get painted, and in the real world of politics, perception often becomes reality.

As for Hillary, just when everyone think she's out, the Democrats (yes - the leaders in the Democratic Party!) keep dragging her right back in - or allow her to put herself back in.

Consider this, both campaigns have announced that to "honor and celebrate" all the Democratic voices, both Obama's and Clinton's names will be placed in nomination. This is a set-up for some intense drama at the convention. I'm just telling you prepare for it.

Obama should be killing McCain at this point. But Obama's gaffes related to the Russia-Georgia incident showed a real weakness. The mainstream media can only protect Obama so much. The real hit job on Obama - that will come - hasn't even begun yet.

That's where the mistake was made. Hillary was completely vetted. Obama was not and is not. At all.

I'm telling you, that scraping sound you hear would be all the knives being sharpened. Make no mistake, the Democratic party elders know they picked the wrong horse; now they're trying to figure out how to get off the gelding and onto the hardbitten old mare. Hillary can beat McCain. Obama can not. And people are slowly realizing it.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/16/2008 12:22 PM

Then you're reading me all wrong Z. That's how Obama's gonna get painted, and in the real world of politics, perception often becomes reality.

Concern troll is concerned.

Obama should be killing McCain at this point.

This is just "why can't Obama close the deal on Hillary?" recycled for the general election. Like the Primaries in June, he's currently ahead of his opponent, but because he isn't ahead by HUGE MARGINS!!!! then that somehow means he's actually behind. Ridiculous.

John McCain is the best candidate that the Republicans could have hoped for, mainly because he isn't perceived as particularly closely aligned to Republicans, so it should come as no surprise that he's polling much better than his party. The perception of him as a "maverick" is untrue of course, but as you say, perception often gets mistaken for reality.

Oh wait, you didn't actually say that it was a mistake to confuse perception with reality. Hmm.

Consider this, both campaigns have announced that to "honor and celebrate" all the Democratic voices, both Obama's and Clinton's names will be placed in nomination.

Who actually first floated that idea, Clinton or Obama? If you actually try to find out the reality rather than accept the prevailing MSM perception of events, the answer may surprise you.

But Obama's gaffes related to the Russia-Georgia incident showed a real weakness.

Gaffe? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

By the way, what was Hillary Clinton's official statement on Russia-Georgia? Did this person who is allegedly still seeking the presidency actually bother to release one?

The mainstream media can only protect Obama so much.

Ah yes, the old myth that Obama's only got this far because the media is too soft on him. Anything that suggests he didn't actually win the Primaries fair and square I guess. The Republicans are making the same squawkings about how "the media luurrves Obama and are too nice to him" right now. Do you believe them too?
posted by Z, at 8/17/2008 12:09 AM

I disagree that they are hijacking there way to the convention. It is Obama that allowed them to be there. As a half full optimist, I need to believe that Obama is sly like a fox in allowing them to be there and is taking this action because it is in his own best interest. If he is wrong, then he has himself to blame. In other words, the Clintions better be there because of a smart calculation on Obama's part, or he doesn't have what it takes to play the political game to win.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/17/2008 2:22 AM

Hillary Clinton supporters - Just Say No to Obama!

There is still time, and Senator Clinton can still secure the nomination at the upcoming convention.

The bottom line is this: Hillary Clinton can beat John McCain. Barack Obama cannot.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/17/2008 5:25 PM

it is to late for hillary. i am an obama supporter who would rather lose with him then lose with hillary. McCain has the advantage here over either one though. He will be the next president I am afraid.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/17/2008 11:23 PM

Democratic strategists are rightly thinking very, very hard about how to get Obama off the ballot at the convention. If he's this close to McCain in the polls after 18 months of nothing but favorable press, he's in very serious trouble. At this point even Michael Dukakis was 16 points ahead.

And the idea that Obama would crush McCain in the debates has pretty much vanished thanks to more idiotic off-the-cuff remarks in the last six weeks than Dan Quayle made in his entire political career.

Hillary's path to the Presidency is clear. She can pull this thing out easily by arranging for a private conference with Obama at his house, then calling the police, and accusing him of hitting her. Obama gets hauled off to jail in handcuffs before the real story gets straightened out, the flash bulbs go off and his race is ended. How could America possibly vote for the man who hit Hillary?

Alternatively, she can just wait until it's confirmed that he's not eligible for the presidency due to his fake Certificate of a Consular Birth Abroad. That would work too.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/17/2008 11:33 PM

What McCain should do is challenge Obama to join him in a town meeting on lessons from Russia's aggression. After all, both candidates allegedly favor NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine - who is probably Putin's next victim.

McCain should then ask the hard questions. Does Russia's behavior cause Obama to rethink his reliance on "soft power" -dialogue, disapproval, diplomacy, economic carrots and sticks - which Putin clearly considers an oxymoron and publicly mocks? Does Russia's resort to military coercion, and its arsenal of intercontinental ballistic missiles, cause Obama to revise his opposition to missile defense?

Obama, unlike McCain, believes that Russia belongs in the Group of Eight. Does Obama think that Russia should be admitted to the World Trade Organization? Does Obama consider Putin helpful regarding Iran? Does Obama accept the description of the G-8 as an organization of the largest "industrialized democracies"? Does he think China should be admitted?

Should he do this, McCain would go in long way in convincing voters that Obama's complacent confidence in the taming abilities of "soft power" is the effect of the Democrat's scary sentimentalism about a dangerous thing, human nature, and a fiction - the "community of nations."

Obama loves to talk about "change." Well, Putin is part of the change America must now confront. And McCain will win if he can make the election turn on the question of who is ornery enough to give Putin a convincing.

Hillary could have beat McCain on this point. Obama can't. Get ready for a McCain presidency if the Democrats don't make a change at the convention.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/18/2008 11:27 AM

We may be a little too harsh on Hillz, who was stumping for Obama in New Mexico (a swing state) this weekend with Bill Richardson. She's mending fences and is clearly speaking to audiences about domestic issues that affect people's pocket books. Who thought it was a good idea for O. to pander to the megachurches though?! Let's just hope the Denver convention gives a jolt of energy to a candidate who needs to start playing offensive. -Josh
posted by Anonymous, at 8/18/2008 6:09 PM

I gotta admire the energy. She has every right to pursue and those who voted for her should be proud. I really do like their ability to find another way. And that's who I'd prefer to have in the WH. Not some quasi hero who did what a lot of other guys did (painful and triumphant still) or some waffler who can't give me a straight answer about his belonging to such a racist church? Nothin is adding up with either of these guys.

I'll probably write in my vote.

I can't stand the two choices now.

Just because someone doesn't think it's fair - oh well. I say "Go for it!"
posted by Anonymous, at 8/18/2008 8:55 PM

There is no way that Hillary,with the twenty volume encyclopedia of tawdery Clinton scandels can pull it off. She got to where she did the old fashon way, by riding her husband's coat tails. I have much more respect for the self made, Condoleeza.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/19/2008 11:38 AM

This Democratic convention could be absolutely explosive, especially after the ass-kicking Obama got from McCain over the weekend.

From political columnist Tony Campbell:

"I talked to a Clinton delegate here in Maryland. He told me they have been instructed to vote for Hillary (for president) on the first ballot. To make things more interesting, there is a movement to swing 160 delegates from Obama to Clinton. If that happens, Clinton could re-establish her campaign and face John McCain in the fall."

***

"The group P.U.M.A. (for Public Unity My Ass) claims that 15 delegates have switched from Obama to Clinton in July. There is still the possibility of a floor convention vote to fully seat the delegations from Michigan and Florida - which would benefit Senator Clinton. The question is: Will it be an easy nomination for Obama - or one of the grandest political ambushes ever pulled off ... on the voting floor of the convention?"

This could be one of America's most historic and unprecedented political coups.
posted by Anonymous, at 8/19/2008 12:52 PM

Won't happen, sorry. This is a poor conspiracy nut analysis on your part. Sorry all your effort campaigning for Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton was a waste of time:)
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